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You Tube Video Ex-Betheliite Ex-Walkill Worker Layed Off!

by cha ching in

i am not sure if this guy is really from bethel, or walkill, but if he is....this poor guy really tells it like it is from the heart.

he was surprised.. at the 'oh so fast, pack your bags, get your stuff outta here' layoff !.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk1xh1egjcu

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I talked with flipper and Mrs. flipper yesterday and I was telling them how my husband and I also received bills from Bethel after we left, they suggested that I write it on this thread so here it goes.

They were itemized just like this guy said. It was for anything that we might have owed. We were there before they used our room cards as debit like he mentioned so it took about two months before we received our first bill.

If I remember right they double billed us, its been 20 years ago and I cannot totally remember right but I do remember that I was really upset because of one of the bills but we moved a whole bunch of times. I kept thinking Jehovah was going to bless us with work and a place to live like that brother in the video said if we just relied on Him and we would just step right back into pioneering.

Well Jehovah never helped us AT ALL. My mother-in-law had promised us a place to stay and told us there was tons of work where she was. The only problem was her current husband was ticked that we had stupidly taken a vow of poverty and felt we needed to pay them plus my MIL and lied and there was no work where they lived not even minimum wage jobs. It was horrible and so depressing that we stayed only a few weeks and moved again to where a temporary worker at Bethel (an elder who Bethel had paid to have him come back to work. Yes they do foot the bill for some.) had told us there was work and again no real work. Both my husband and were working all kinds of hours missing meetings, etc. I was working two to three jobs again no Jehovah.

So we moved yet again and in that mess Bethel somehow lost our address and we never received a bill for the one that was in question and I never followed through which for years when I was a true believer bothered me a huge amount now I am glad.

Looking back really they could not write it off after we gave them years of free work?

Anyway so it goes for those of us who were stupid enough to buy into the lie.

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You Tube Video Ex-Betheliite Ex-Walkill Worker Layed Off!

by cha ching in

i am not sure if this guy is really from bethel, or walkill, but if he is....this poor guy really tells it like it is from the heart.

he was surprised.. at the 'oh so fast, pack your bags, get your stuff outta here' layoff !.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk1xh1egjcu

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I was at Bethel and though I did not experience the same things he did I realize enough of his story to know it is true.

I was a married sister and my overseer hated me from the start, the first day I was there. I was in construction, I thought as a sister I would be placed in housekeeping or some such thing, no I was assigned construction. I knew nothing about it. The CO's wife told me to bring only dresses as at Bethel sisters were not allowed to wear jeans. My overseer was so MAD at me for not having jeans with me, he told me that NO CO's wife would ever tell me such a thing. We had no money for me to buy cloths so I got jeans out of the hoppers, they did not fit well but it was the best I could do.

My first three days my overseer had me sort nuts and bolts and screws that were in this file cabinet. I spent three loooooong days doing the mind numbing job. I sat there most of the time by myself wondering why my overseer hated me so much. I will never forget the hurt I felt on the fourth day when my overseer in a fit of rage over something that one of the bothers did dumped all the nuts, bouts, and screws into a huge pile that I had just spent the three days sorting out all back together. All my mind numbing work destroyed in just seconds right in front of me.

My overseer took great joy in telling me that I was there only for the free food and such. That he knew most about 70% of the Bethelites were there only for the free stuff, One of his sayings was that most of Bethel just drags themselves around not willing to work.

It sadly funny now looking back I never remember seeing my overseer work. All he did was walk around complaining and yelling at everyone. I never saw him truly work.

One time he decided that I needed to hang out the window on scaffolding three stories up. I am petrified of heights but I felt that Jehovah was telling me to do it (mind over matter) so I stepped out three stories up on wobbly boards. I just instantly got down and hugged the railing. I was not tied off, the boards were set right and moved like crazy the whole thing was swaying, I was so freaked out and my overseer was SO MAD at me. He yelled at me to just back inside.

There was nothing I could do that was right, everything I did was wrong, even things that I did right he found something wrong with it. Never once in the whole time I was at Bethel did he ever say a kind word to me. NEVER! It was always we were "just good for nothing slaves" quoiting from the Bible.

I know ones like fisherman will say I was stupid that no one asked me to go that I was probably truly lazy that I did not want to work that I was there for the free food and room, etc.

Fisherman and ones like him are a huge reason why I do not post here much anymore. When we pioneered where the CO told us to, where the need was great we qualified for government aid welfare, food stamps. I would not take it. I have never once in my life taken government help. I pioneered because I was mislead to believe that Jehovah wanted me to. It was my idea and I was not going to be a burden on anyone especially tax payers who were not Jehovah's servants. I have always worked and supported myself, working 30 plus hours a week while pioneering 90 hours a month.

Yet here I was at Jehovah's house and being accused of being there for the free stuff. It hurt like crazy than and it still hurts like crazy now 21 years latter. I will never get the words of hate and anger from my overseer out of my head. So go on fisherman and slam me and those who put ourselves out to be so stupid as to believe that Jehovah wanted us. I know I was stupid and lazy like my overseer told me. I was lifting 90 pound over my head for my job and I was a woman who weighed 120 at the time but hey yeh I was just a lazy no good human.

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WT Society Makes Light of Child Abuse Crimes by Portraying them as Cartoons

by flipper in

i commented on this on another thread- but i believe this has enough importance to create a thread about this situation in and of itself.

at the current district convention as you know the wt society released a " sophie & caleb " video allegedly warning parents about the dangers of child abuse.

they don't really use the words " child abuse " in the video - but just say if " someone tries to touch you in a manner you aren't comfortable with " and portray it as a cartoon !

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boc very good points that you make. A small child just cannot use his CONSCIENCE and just hold up his or her hand and say NO!

I was molested as a child and did that once told my molester NO! Yeah that did't work to well.

And what about all this making Jehovah sad insanity they are throwing at children. I was with a JW last summer and she used it on her little 5 year old granddaughter. The child started sobbing saying over and over I don't want to make Jehovah sad. I was just standing there speechless. The stupid making Jehovah sad thing is really working.

So what if the older elder or trusted sister in the hall tells the child that 'if you tell you what will are doing it will make Jehovah sad'. The child is going to cave and not tell. These kids do not want to make Jehovah sad. It is like shooting fish in a barrel for child molesters in this religion I swear. They are just handed kids on a platter.

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WT Society Makes Light of Child Abuse Crimes by Portraying them as Cartoons

by flipper in

i commented on this on another thread- but i believe this has enough importance to create a thread about this situation in and of itself.

at the current district convention as you know the wt society released a " sophie & caleb " video allegedly warning parents about the dangers of child abuse.

they don't really use the words " child abuse " in the video - but just say if " someone tries to touch you in a manner you aren't comfortable with " and portray it as a cartoon !

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So what does the child say when he is in the car group with his pioneer mom, and the mom and the other sister in the car go inside a return visit and leave him alone in the car for say just 10 minutes with the wonderful MS who is reaching out and giving all kinds of parts at the meetings and who the childs elder dad keeps saying at home how wonderful this MS is and that Jehovah is really using him and Jehovah reads hearts and this MS is just praised and praised by all in the congregation.

So when the MS starts just ticking him and playing just little games with him at first nothing more but keeps trying to be in the car group with his pioneer mom and this little guy keeps hearing how wonderful and great and seeing this MS for himself giving talks and saying that Jehovah is blessing him. This goes on for weeks maybe even months. Just tickling and nothing more just paying around, the child does not really like it and has tried to tell his pioneer mom but she keeps telling the child that he is just making a big deal out of nothing as this MS is appointed by Jehovah's holy spirit and plus she kind of likes having the MS in her car group as a babysitter so she can gossip and chat with the other sisters without her little boy bugging her..

Than one day it leads to more but by than the child is so confused and bewildered there is no way for him to tell his pioneer mom and elder dad, and besides the child knows no one would ever believe him as Jehovah is with this MS. That is all he has heard for the last couple of months of how wonderful this MS brother is.

Filpper my blood presser is so high right now, I just really, really, really want to scream. I just cannot believe the insanity of this stupid so called religion. How anyone can watch this video and not be offended is beyond me yet I know only too well that every JW will.

It is just such blatant insanity.

As far as Tony saying how they take child abuse serious, is that why I was threatened with being DF'ed if I did not agree to take a level 2 sex offender in my car and go dtd with him just because I was an elder wife by the CO and at least one of the elders in my hall?

Frustrating and upsetting is beyond what I am feeling right now.

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What is Your Brainwashing IQ ? Take the Quiz

by Finkelstein in

so how much do you understand about brainwashing, its application and effects ?

essentially lures people into its grasps and then brainwashes them for exploitation and manipulative purposes by using mental indoctrination techniques.. here's a quick quiz to take to answer some of these questions.

http://voicesfordignity.com/brainwashing-iq/.

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19 of 21 missed two. The red flag one. I should have probably have gotten that one because I saw so many red flags but I feel like I chose to miss them on purpose. This test said that I just was not able to see them. They just seem so clear to me now looking back and I feel I could have gotten out sooner and that it was my fault that I stayed so long. I was cradle raised a JW it was all I knew, maybe I just beat myself up too much over staying so long. Thanks for the test it was great.

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What is true love?

by hoser in

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friends

i just watched the video what is true love.

first of all it is painfully long.

secondly there is an uncanny resemblance with megan(the one who married out of the truth) to the girl in the jeremiah book who married out of the truth.

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LisaRose

After the elders deleted my husband as an elder because I was not in subjection enough because I would not take pedophiles door to door in my car I totally lost it. All those's years of pain I went through and that was what it came down to, they just threw me away because I finally stood up to them.

So I insisted that we go to marriage counseling and we took the Meyers Briggs personality evaluation, I had never heard of it before. All those years I was accused of not not having a good heart because door to door work stressed me out so much. All those years I was told I did not care about the people at the doors, etc and I felt like such scum. It all boiled down to when people yell at me and get in my face I just shut down which makes those kinds of people get more in my face which just leads to a horrible circle of stupidity.

I was not bad or stupid nor was it that I did not care about people. I opened our home and had the whole congregation of 90 people into our 880 SF home twice. I fed the whole book study of 20 plus every 6 weeks. We took the mentally ill door to door when none of the other elders would do it. I have worked with fellow JW's that are hearing voices in their heads and shaking and smelling so horrible that I gagged, door to door. It was very, very hard but I did it. I did everything that was asked of me and felt like scum because more and more was demanded of me.

I just could not take men who had raped children door to door. Everything fell apart after that, all those years I lived without my husband while he was out holding the hands of others who apparently needed him more than I did, With all of our money going into car gas for the door to door work. With running on the JW treadmill and it all came down to the fact that I was not in subjection enough.

That was when I insisted we get help. That test opened my eyes and I think my husband's also. I am just not the type of person who can be around loud, opined, angry people. I just shut down. I cannot think. I just cannot process what to say and so in the eyes of the opinionated ones I looked like a stupid fool.

I wish I had known of that test so many years ago, because I believed that I was a stupid fool. That is what I love about this sight I can finally say what was hurting so much. I was always told to keep my blinders on and not to think about what was happening to me. At some point it just all crashes in on you the blinders just come off no matter how hard you try to keep them on.

I know that even on this sight that people can be really mean also but at least it is someone behind a computer screen that you do not know not someone sitting next to you in a car group that you have to be with for two to ten hours trying to get your time in. It still hurts even on this sight. One elder who was really hateful to me when my husband was still an elder told me with disgust in his voice that I ware my feelings on my sleeve, that I care too much.

It is just who I am, I have tried all my life to not be that person not to get my feelings hurt. I just am not able to do it no matter how hard I try, I really wish I could not care but I just do.

I wonder how nerdy Liz would handle what I have been through putting Jehovah first while her husband was gone all the time being there for the congregation while she sits in the car waiting for him after the meetings or the missed anniversary's, or the promises of time together that never happen because someone always needs her husband more. It was not the rosy picture that the video pointed out.

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What is true love?

by hoser in

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i just watched the video what is true love.

first of all it is painfully long.

secondly there is an uncanny resemblance with megan(the one who married out of the truth) to the girl in the jeremiah book who married out of the truth.

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I was the nerdy jw girl and I have lived to regret my life way more than Megan ever would. I married a elder and we went off into the sunset like the nerdy girl and her hubby did to serve Jehovah and it was HELL!

We went to where the need was great for elders. We both pioneered and lived on nothing. The "brothers and sisters" in the hall hated me and made it clear to me that they did. While my husband was out holding the hands of those in need I would met by myself for field service and there just never was a place for me in their car groups. The other young women in the hall went shopping and over to each others homes I was never invited. I was so depressed I seriously thought of suicide most of the time. Sometimes even now I wonder if that would have been the best thing for me to do.

I went to the CO and told him I was just loosing it. I never saw my husband as he was always to busy for me and our marriage doing something for the congregation. I had no friends, no family, no one. One of the MS's wives told her husband that I was never to be allowed in their home and she told me to my face I was one of the most stupidest people she had ever met. Another time when I met for service I was asked in front of the group meeting 'what good I did by even going in service?' The sister who asked me the question told me I was horrible at the doors and she wanted to know why I even bothered going out! This was in front of about 11 other publishers. Not one of the 11 others stood up for me or told the sister to stop attacking me. They all just stood there staring at me waiting for me to answer her. I just wanted to die so bad that day. I did not answer her at first as I was just so shocked and hurt by her clear anger at me. She repeated the question to me with even more anger and I just mumbled 'that I didn't do much good' she told me 'than why are you hear?' Those were the mild stories I could relate about my time in that hall. And that was one of just many halls I was in, none of the halls were kind.

So when I told the CO I was loosing it he turned on me and said I was being selfish. 'That Jehovah needed my husband now and that I could have him in the new system!"

I do not know why I watched that stupid video what is true love because I can't get it out of my head. I wish with all my heart I had been Megan instead of nerdy Liz. At the end of the video I just sat there sobbing because it is all a lie. I lived it know.

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Brave high school student exposes abuse and corruption within Jehovahs witnesses

by Watchtower-Free in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdvt_gyq-ls&feature=youtu.be.

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Totally amazing. I am so in awe of her, to have such courage to to stand up in front of her class and say those things.

At her age to understand the real truth behind the truth. I remember when I was her age I had this fast food job where I would have to open the store alone with the manger. This man had tried to sexually force himself on me and several other girls. I was really afraid of being alone with him for fear of him raping me and I knew if he did that I would be blamed by the elders. I knew at the time that it was so wrong but I was still so afraid. This man finally did attack a young girl who was not a JW and lost his jog over it.

Now looking back why did not that stupid fear not wake me up. I remember telling a sister about what was happening and true to my fears she blamed me told me it was my fault because I was still working there. I needed the job, I had no family and no one to help me and the job was all I had to live on. I was so scared on so many levels when I just should have had support, but I got nothing from the religion so yes I do believe all of her stories.

I am just so awe of her for being so brave.

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How to be happy flopping whoppers part time while pioneering!

by life is to short in

i was just thinking the other day why is there not service meeting part like my title says.

i mean that would really be helpful to those who totally believe the no collage thing.

since they do not want anyone to have any education why don't they at the very least try to help them to be happy living a life of poverty with service meetings parts, since everyone would be in poverty if they really listened to the fds.. like a part on how not to be upset when anther brother buys a new car parks it two blocks from the hall so as not to get door dings in it and rides all day in your car and does not give you a dime for gas.

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I am sorry blondie for the misunderstanding. No that is what I did while I tried to pioneer. Worked part time at fast food. It was hard and I was so depressed but I thought it was my fault because I did not have enough faith in Jehovah. That was why I was so depressed. I really do mean if they could have parts that teach you how to be happy living poor would be the most helpful. But they don't so it really shows that they do not want you to follow what they are saying is what I meant by my post.

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How to be happy flopping whoppers part time while pioneering!

by life is to short in

i was just thinking the other day why is there not service meeting part like my title says.

i mean that would really be helpful to those who totally believe the no collage thing.

since they do not want anyone to have any education why don't they at the very least try to help them to be happy living a life of poverty with service meetings parts, since everyone would be in poverty if they really listened to the fds.. like a part on how not to be upset when anther brother buys a new car parks it two blocks from the hall so as not to get door dings in it and rides all day in your car and does not give you a dime for gas.

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I was just thinking the other day why is there not service meeting part like my title says. I mean that would really be helpful to those who totally believe the no collage thing. Since they do not want anyone to have any education why don't they at the very least try to help them to be happy living a life of poverty with service meetings parts, since everyone would be in poverty if they really listened to the FDS.

Like a part on how not to be upset when anther brother buys a new car parks it two blocks from the hall so as not to get door dings in it and rides all day in your car and does not give you a dime for gas. Or how not to be sad and look forward to the future when you really want to have kids while out in service with the elder and his wife who had seven.

I know the answer of course but thinking about it now I realize that even the GB didn't want anyone to really follow their stupid rules. If everyone pioneered and had no kids, no money, etc where would the religion be. The GB are relying on the kids, of the kids who they told not to have kids to support them now.

It is all so crazy.

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